Podcast - Bobcat Chat

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Hello and welcome to Bobcat Chat. 

00:00:14,300 --> 00:00:34,440 [Calab Tate]
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Bobcat Chat, a podcast where we sit down and have conversations with the folks that make HCC happen day to day. Today, I'm joined by Corey Isbell, uh, the coordinator for the Construction Skills and Technology program. Thank you, Corey, for being with us today. 

00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:49,140 [Corey Isbell]
Thanks for having me. It's been, uh, it's been a few years since I did one of these. Uh, today is my four-year anniversary at HCC, and, uh, I did a Bobcat Chat in the first few months I started working here when we began the program. So it's good to be circling back. 

00:00:49,140 --> 00:01:45,640 [Calab Tate]
Well, and on that note, then I'll say welcome back to the show. It's been that long since before I was the interviewer of this show, so I'm glad that we were able to talk to you on this momentous occasion, [chuckles] this special day. So Corey, it's always fun working with you. Thanks for sitting down and talking with me about the program. These types of conversations on the chat are just conversations where we wanna make sure people know about everything that we do here at the college. So I know as an employee here, I get it all the time. I'll tell somebody about something, and if they're not intimately familiar with that, they might say, "Well, I didn't know y'all did that down there." We just wanna make sure that we're keeping that conversation going. So, um, today we're gonna be, again, talking about the cor- the Construction Skills and Technology program. So without further ado, we're gonna jump into that first question. Corey, can you give us an overview of the Construction Skills and Technology offerings at HCC, and what makes this program unique for students entering the skills trades? 

00:01:46,700 --> 00:02:05,580 [Corey Isbell]
Sure. So we are part of HCC Continuing Education, and, uh, that alone probably makes us, um, the most unique among the workforce programs at HCC. Uh, kind of similar to the, uh, creative arts program, which also operates under Continuing Education. We have 

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a kind of a menu of classes a- all related to the construction trades. So, um, we're-- Our focus is providing short-term skills training and education in fields related to the building industry. So for example, we have, we've had classes, uh, in the three, four years of our program, uh, now, um, in things like carpentry, HVAC, plumbing, and, um, that's kinda where we started, and we're building out now, um, to include different areas, um, some related to construction management. That's kind of one of our current focuses. But, um, we are-- 

00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:59,579 [Corey Isbell]
we, we, we focus on, you know, providing coursework, um, that ranges from usually eight to 12 weeks, um, long as far as the classes. So, um, it's, uh, it-- we, we give you a lot of ways to get introduced to different aspects of the building industry. 

00:02:59,580 --> 00:04:46,800 [Calab Tate]
And, you know, touching on that piece from the Continuing Education standpoint of things, you said that menu of classes, right? When people think about college, you know, they put us all in that big college bucket, which it's great. We're one big old family, one big old multifaceted team that does a lot of different stuff here at the college. But Continuing Education has always had this wonderful way of saying not only, you know, here's this discipline, this thing, how, how you need to interact with that to upskill, it's fairly flexible and kind of à la carte. You know, what you need when you need it. Um, so that is something important that I wanted to make sure that we talked about today on the pod was just the fact that people hear Construction Skills Technology, they think that it's, you know, a long time commitment or it's very linear in sequencing, but really not, not the case. Not only is it not linear in sequencing, but it, just like any other part of Con Ed here at the college, it's always evolving. Uh, there's always new stuff happening and the program taking on those new shapes to kind of fit what Haywood County and the industry needs. Um, it's one of the big pride points of Haywood Community College in my standpoint is it can meet people where they are with what they need. So it, it lives and breathes a little bit differently, so I'm glad you mentioned that. Um, speaking of those classes and kinda diving a little bit deeper, many of the classes, such as Introduction to Basic Construction Skills Technology, um, includes hands-on training experiences. So if you can talk about that. I know people hear class, sometimes they always think about textbooks or maybe YouTube videos and stuff like that. I know that's how I try to fix things at my home unsuccessfully. Um, but those hands-on experiences that y'all offer in the program, speak to that a little bit. What can people expect? 

00:04:48,300 --> 00:05:02,140 [Corey Isbell]
Yeah. Um, well, YouTube vi- videos are great. Um, I myself use them all the time for, um, everything from anything new that I learn how to do, um, on my own house to, uh, preparing for a podcast. So there's a YouTube video on just about anything. 

00:05:02,140 --> 00:05:02,740 [Calab Tate]
[laughs] 

00:05:02,740 --> 00:05:48,820 [Corey Isbell]
Um, so, uh, yeah, our classes, um, I mean, it's-- I guess going back to the Con Ed thing, the Continuing Education side, um, the-- one of the great things about Continuing Education classes are there is a ver- there's, there's a very low barrier to entry as far as, um, taking a class. If you see a Continuing Education class you're interested, generally, especially in our program, um, there's no application process. You know, you don't have to apply to the college. There's, there's very little paperwork. You basically just, uh, find something that piques your interest and register. And I mean, you can register online, and it's, it's a pretty quick process. Um, the cool thing about that is, um, we can reach folks who are maybe working in the industry who are looking to upskill, but we can also reach people who just wanna learn more about 

00:05:49,900 --> 00:07:40,120 [Corey Isbell]
any of the areas that we cover. So if you're, um, if you're a do-it-yourselfer, and we have quite a few students who are-- who fall into that category, and, you know, you wanna learn about taking care of your ownHVAC needs for your- if you're, you know, a homeowner. Um, it's pretty quick to sign up for a class. If you're working in HVAC, which we have a few people in our current HVAC class who are working in the industry, but you wanna get a little more focus on a specific area, you go online, you sign up for the class, you're in the classroom that easy. Um, and the c- the, you know, the cool thing about that is we have classes that have a great mix of people. So we might have some do it, do it yourselfers who've had industry experience. Uh, we might have people who are younger just getting into the field who are, you know, trying things out. Um, it's a, it's a lot of variety. But, um, I guess the other cool thing about this is the way our program is structured, we have, uh, we-- you know, in that kind of menu of classes, uh, structure, it's a great way to try something out with a low commitment. So, you know, say you are coming out of high school and you're thinking maybe a career in HVAC is something you'd like to explore. Instead of going to a, a c- a school and enrolling in a, a degree program, um, and kind of making that commitment, before you do that, you can come to our program, try the class, sign up for a cooling systems class, learn about the electrical side of things, learn about the refrigeration cycle, you know, learn the fundamentals, and decide if you even wanna go in that direction. You know, worst case, you take an eight to 12-week class, you learn some stuff, and you decide to go a different way. Best case, you've gotten a start building your foundation of knowledge. You can take some more classes with us, or you can go on to somewhere else where you can work your way towards a degree. So there's a lot of different directions you can go to. As far as the question, which I'm attempting to circle back to- 

00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,390 [Calab Tate]
Some good information we're getting so far. Absolutely some good information. 

00:07:43,390 --> 00:07:43,400 [Corey Isbell]
Yeah. 

00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:44,020 [Calab Tate]
Keep going. 

00:07:44,020 --> 00:08:45,100 [Corey Isbell]
Yeah, the hands-on stuff, um, you know, I mean, that's, that's key to a lot of programs or most programs at the community college, especially on the workforce side. You know, hands-on is how a lot of people learn. Um, and you know, s- it's, it's important to have the classroom foundation of knowledge, but also the time, you know, in the shop, in the lab doing the hands-on stuff. And so like a lot of the programs, you know, automotive welding, a lot of the other programs at HCC, we will put you in the classroom to start learning the theory, you know, to learn the b- you know, the background of things. Um, and then you're gonna spend time in the lab learning how to use tools, learning how to use tools safely, um, you know, learning about the stuff you're, you're talking about in the classroom. So you get a mix. You know, you get to try out... You, you get to learn the knowledge, and then you get to try out applying what you learned. So it's a, it's a-- it kind of goes full circle. And you can, you can accomplish a lot of that in an eight to 12-week class. Um, you'd be surprised how much time you can practice what you're learning in a class that short and then move on to something else. 

00:08:45,100 --> 00:09:04,060 [Calab Tate]
And it's, you know, I, I love unpacking these kinds of things for people in kind of a longer format conversation as opposed to maybe a flyer that they might see out somewhere that's got bullet points. You know, there's a lot of people in society today that, that, that have that yearning or that want to try something, to, to have something kind of 

00:09:05,580 --> 00:10:12,210 [Calab Tate]
to make it approachable. And, you know, we're recording this in our creative arts podcast studio, uh, and this building here on campus is another example of that. You have wood, fiber, jewelry, and clay all the way from the floor all-- the floor level all the way to the top. Each one of those discipline degree areas has a con ed space on that floor where people can try that out. And I think that making education and upskilling, and that term in the industry, but making those skills approachable and available for everyone is a big part of what we do here. And I think that you've spoken very wonderfully to that, so I, I appreciate that. So kind of circling back, panning back out to the whole program. So if you could kind of unpack the different pathways for, for folks. I know that pathways m- that verbiage might lend itself to people thinking that it's more linear. But what are the different flavors of ice cream when it comes to construction skills technology that people can choose from? Just broad brush if we wanted to list them out for our listeners. 

00:10:12,210 --> 00:11:49,860 [Corey Isbell]
Yeah. So, so when we started this program in 2022, um, we were, we were s- established by a Department of Labor grant that allowed us to build a program from the ground up and cr- and that includes the, the spaces where we operate. Um, initially we were focused on HVAC, plumbing, and, uh, a course we call construction technology, which is essentially a building class. So it's, it's the-- in the broader sense, construction technology, building construction technology refers to the entire building process from foundation work to finish work, you know. So every, every, every skill you need to build a structure. Um, in the four years we've been running the, the program, we have had classes. We've had, um, quite a few HVAC classes. Uh, we've had, um, we've had a plumbing class, uh, a pretty lengthy plumbing class. We've had, uh, several carpentry-focused classes. That was kind of our foundation. Um, since the, uh, sunset of our grant, we have started to build out from those areas because we have had inquiries over the years, you know, people asking about, "What about this? What if I wanna learn to, you know, do computer automated drafting? What if I am interested in, you know, moving beyond a lot of the hands-on stuff I do in my job and getting into management?" Um, so w- now we are adding classes kind of on demand as the availability of instructors and the interest of students allows. So, um, just about anything under the, the umbrella of building, um, we can try to provide. We have a-- We've s- we've started an AutoCAD class, 

00:11:51,080 --> 00:12:23,330 [Corey Isbell]
I believe it was last year. It might've been the end of 2024. We're on our third, um, third cohort, uh, starting tonight actually with our AutoCAD class. Um, we had inquiries about it. We, we've got an instructor. We've started teaching the classes. Um-We started an estimating class last week. It's the first time. We tried to get it going last year, took a few tries, but, um, we got enough people interested. Now we're able to teach an estimating class. Um, we've had all along an introduction to basic construction skills class, and that's kind of-- that, that's sort of the foundation, I guess, if you're 

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brand new to the industry or to learning how to build and you wanna start from, you know, square one. Um, that class focuses on the fundamentals, um, safety, tool usage, print reading, construction math, um, everything you need to know if you've never, you know, you've been on a desert island for your entire life and you've never seen a hammer. 

00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:45,180 [Calab Tate]
[chuckles] 

00:12:45,180 --> 00:12:51,340 [Corey Isbell]
I mean, that class, you can walk into that and learn everything you need to get started. So we try to, we try to touch on, you know, the different, 

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I guess, uh, levels, um, that, you know, people might come to us with. Um, and our instructors are all-- 

00:13:00,460 --> 00:13:56,330 [Corey Isbell]
they're all working professionals, so that's the other strength of our program. Um, as far as keeping up with the industry, as far as keeping up with the latest technology, all the people we have working as instructors in our program, they're teaching for us part-time, but they are working full-time in their trades. So they are, you know, they are helping us keep up with the latest and greatest, the tools, the, um, the techniques, the processes, the equipment that's being worked on. So, um, we've got a, we've got a, a wealth of knowledge in our instructors. And, um, the cool thing about these classes as far as that aspect, I guess, is that because we are a program focused on skills and knowledge versus GPAs and degrees, um, we have flexibility in the classes for students to get what they want out of the class. So because we have all these working professionals teaching and because we are, you know, a little more loosely structured than curriculum classes, 

00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:59,520 [Corey Isbell]
ins- uh, students can kind of chart their own path as far as in a lot of ways what they wanna learn. We, um, for example, our construction technology class, um, which we've done, I think we've run through th-th-that class three times now. Uh, the person teaching it is a trained, um, architectural... He's a architectural engineer or an architect designer, um, licensed contractor. He also teaches our AutoCAD class. Um, in each class, they build something. So they'll spend the entire term learning how to read plans, uh, do estimates, learn about materials, learn about tools, and then they're in the shop building a structure. So we've built three small structures so far. Uh, the students work as a-- in groups or work as a team, depending on the size of the class, and, uh, they get to have the hands-on work. But they're, they're designing the project, they're building the project, they're learning as they go from the instructor, um, what they wanna know. If they wanna know more about building codes, that's not part of the curriculum really, but, um, you know, if there's time, we can add that to the class. 

00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:06,160 [Calab Tate]
That's so cool. I mean, I, I think that that's something, again, that's uniquely continuing education at HCC of 

00:15:07,300 --> 00:16:07,840 [Calab Tate]
in other disciplines. I remember of one of the first continuing education firsthand experiences I ever had with me and, and my wife was we did guided open forge. And we're like, "Guided open? What does that mean?" And it's like that experience of like, there's a guide, there is a framework for we gotta teach you how to do this rough thing, you know, read a schematic, do the thing, hammer the... For us, it was hammer the steel, don't burn yourself. [chuckles] But everyone's experience in that room was as small or as large as they wanted to, and there was a, like, person there that was available to guide them through that experience and give them that really tailored education that they would ask for. Um, you know, everybody got together for one of these projects and they said, "Well, this type of construction project's something that I think the three of us really wanna learn how to do." Said, "Okay, can we work that into this one? Can we give you that experience here?" Um, it's education that people need 

00:16:08,880 --> 00:17:00,800 [Calab Tate]
in a format that's approachable on a timeframe that's also for busy people. M-you know, in the world today, it's very approachable. Um, it checks all the boxes for me. You know, it's... Can't tell you how many times I talk to some of our younger folks in the high schools, and they, they do exist for everybody out there. There are young folks interested in the trades. But when we do talk with them, you know, one of their first questions is, is, "When am I gonna get to do the darn thing?" You know? "Cool. Is there another textbook?" 'Cause they're sitting in high school, and there's a little bit of that in high schools today. But sounds to me like just come out and register for that class and get signed up and we'll, we'll get you to doing the darn thing pretty quickly. Um, speaking of those students and kind of some of those experiences, is there a success story or a fun story that you-- that comes to mind about the program that you'd like to share with everybody? 

00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:33,579 [Corey Isbell]
Yeah. I mean, my, my favorite thing, uh, about working in this program in the four years that I've been here is the people that I meet, and that includes the instructors and the students. Um, every class is a different group. It's a different mix of people. Um, we've had students aged 17 to, I think, mid-70s in our classes. Um, for the first, probably the first year, I don't think we had a single student under the age of 30. Um, so the cool thing about that to me is that people bring their experiences in the classroom. 

00:17:33,580 --> 00:17:33,780 [Calab Tate]
Mm-hmm. 

00:17:33,780 --> 00:17:59,230 [Corey Isbell]
So in a... You know, especially when you're talking about something like building. You know, people who might be taking a class to learn a particular part of the process. You know, maybe somebody worked as a, a framer for, you know, 20 years, and now they wanna learn how to do trim carpentry, or they wanna learn how to do HVAC, something new to them. But they're bringing their experiences in the field to the classroom and, you know, we encourage everybody to share the, the knowledge. Um, 

00:18:00,820 --> 00:18:07,784 [Corey Isbell]
but, um...I'm trying to circle back to q-the original question. 

00:18:07,784 --> 00:18:08,033 [Calab Tate]
That's, that's- 

00:18:08,033 --> 00:18:09,013 [Corey Isbell]
I think I got off on a tangent there 

00:18:09,013 --> 00:18:27,004 [Calab Tate]
... it's easy. I mean, I'm, I'm right there with you on that tangent. I'm, I'm th- I'm sitting here thinking about all the wonderful conversations I had. I did, uh, s- the Associates in the Arts pathway here at HCC, and a lot of those general education courses had people from varied age groups. Those are some of my favorite educational conversations I've ever had- 

00:18:27,004 --> 00:18:27,084 [Corey Isbell]
Yeah 

00:18:27,084 --> 00:18:31,363 [Calab Tate]
... in a classroom with those people from those different age ranges. Um- 

00:18:31,364 --> 00:18:32,284 [Corey Isbell]
Success story. 

00:18:32,284 --> 00:18:32,624 [Calab Tate]
Yes. 

00:18:32,624 --> 00:18:33,264 [Corey Isbell]
That's where we're going. 

00:18:33,264 --> 00:18:35,794 [Calab Tate]
Now we got there, right? Together. [chuckles] 

00:18:35,794 --> 00:18:35,824 [Corey Isbell]
Yeah. 

00:18:35,824 --> 00:18:38,263 [Calab Tate]
So success story. Anything that pops out? 

00:18:38,264 --> 00:18:40,784 [Corey Isbell]
Yeah, no, no, 'cause I wanna hear that. I wanna hear the rest of your story, and then I'll- 

00:18:40,784 --> 00:19:34,344 [Calab Tate]
It's-- It, it was really cool. I mean, some of these group projects that we would have, and, and again, this, as I've done this interview series, I'm finding more and more and more that that kind of diversified age group in the classroom that we have at HCC is present across all the different disciplines. Very, very seldomly do we have... I think CCP, you know, or high school dual enrollment, that one's kinda tough, but I mean, you might be surprised, but those classes happen in the high schools. But people having different age groups and sitting down and a- and answering questions about, you know, and those, those papers that we would have to write, you know. And you ask a group of 10 people, one of them 65, 44, 32, and then three 17-year-olds, you say, "Write about the hardest experience you've had in life so far." 

00:19:35,364 --> 00:20:26,684 [Calab Tate]
Well, it's like you would think in, uh, you know, and I'm recalling an experience of my own, where the 17-year-olds, the har- their hardest experience, right, might not be the same as the 71-year-old, that those difficulties across those lifespans. But the beauty that I saw then that now as, uh, you know, someone who facilitates different educational programs myself, I look for those moments because not only do you get that, that experience from all the different people, but the 71-year-old can teach that person as well. It's not just the teacher. But then the 17-year-old's also teaching the new stuff. So with construction skills, and I'm sure with other things, right, there's people that might come in with a new mindset and say, "Well, can we just do it this other way?" And those of us that have been in whatever industry it is forever and ever be like, "Well, I guess you can do it that way." 

00:20:26,684 --> 00:20:26,864 [Corey Isbell]
Yeah. 

00:20:26,864 --> 00:20:28,344 [Calab Tate]
And it's a new way of thinking so that- 

00:20:28,344 --> 00:20:29,194 [Corey Isbell]
Yeah, definitely. I mean, I'm- 

00:20:29,194 --> 00:20:30,844 [Calab Tate]
... teaching all around happening. 

00:20:30,844 --> 00:20:38,284 [Corey Isbell]
Yeah, I mean, I, I, when I f- when I started working in this program, I, I, I taught classes 'cause I had no instructors, so I taught the first three classes we offered. And, um, 

00:20:39,404 --> 00:21:12,674 [Corey Isbell]
I got to see dynamics like that where, um, I'd have students-- I had, I think it was in the second class I s- I taught, I had a student who didn't really s-speak up a lot in class at first. And then as the s-term went on, um, you know, revealed more and more of his background and everything, and, um, and I mean, that, that's, that's a whole other story. But, um, in the labs, within the first couple of labs in that class, um, I noticed he was teaching the other students. You know, we'd, we'd have a, we had a large enough group that I would be focused on a couple folks, and then he would be off, uh, with another group of people teaching. 

00:21:12,674 --> 00:21:12,724 [Calab Tate]
[chuckles] 

00:21:12,724 --> 00:21:21,524 [Corey Isbell]
And I learned, o-of course, that class, that he had a diverse background in construction that was, um, I mean, made mine look almost, you know, amateur. And, uh- 

00:21:21,524 --> 00:21:21,894 [Calab Tate]
[chuckles] 

00:21:21,894 --> 00:21:41,744 [Corey Isbell]
... he had a, he had a lot of experience, and I learned a lot from watching him and from, you know, just about the, that aspect of it. But, um, also just, you know, learned, learned some things that I didn't know just, uh, specific to the field. But, uh, yeah, just watching, watching people, watching students teach students, you know, helps all of us be better instructors. 

00:21:41,744 --> 00:21:42,244 [Calab Tate]
Yeah. 

00:21:42,244 --> 00:21:48,414 [Corey Isbell]
Um, and as far, you know, there, there are success stories, I guess, that I've seen as far as bringing people out of their shell related to that. But, um, 

00:21:49,664 --> 00:22:23,084 [Corey Isbell]
I guess as far as, uh, as far as success stories related to the, you know, working in the trades or whatever, um, I-- And there's a story, I think, I don't know if it's come out yet, but, um, we did a-- T-Tim, uh, did a story about a couple of our students who've been with us for, um, going on a couple years. These two women who started taking HVAC classes at the same time, um, they, they ended up taking our entire HVAC sequence, so they, they each took all four classes, and they, they took them together. So in the course of going through these classes, um, they became friends. 

00:22:24,183 --> 00:22:39,964 [Corey Isbell]
They both, um, were super dedicated to the classes, so when we'd go in the labs, I mean, they would always team up and work together. And I got to watch them, um, I mean, outpace, you know, a lot of people in the class, including some folks who maybe had more experience than them because they were so interested in learning. 

00:22:39,964 --> 00:22:40,164 [Calab Tate]
Yeah. 

00:22:40,164 --> 00:23:27,004 [Corey Isbell]
But it was really cool to watch that because, um, they're both working in the construction field in various capacities, and they got to go through these four classes and learned a lot from our instructor, Clay. And, uh, and they, they developed a friendship. And, um, they also kind of, uh, became kind of the f- I don't know. In, in a few classes, they were kind-- they kinda helped other students, I noticed some of the younger students, you know, be at ease and, you know, with the, with the new material and stuff 'cause they were, you know, they were kinda old hands at it by the time we finished, and, uh, that was really cool to watch. So yeah, I've got, um, I don't know. I, I think every class we have is a success story. I mean, there's always at least, at least one, at least one person in every class that you can call a success story. And anybody who walks out of one of these classes knowing more than when they came in, I mean, you know, that's a success story. That's what we're all about. 

00:23:27,004 --> 00:23:37,994 [Calab Tate]
That's, you know, when we're talking about post-secondary education, and then especially community college is its own flavor, its own specific, in my opinion, discipline of education. 

00:23:39,084 --> 00:24:29,228 [Calab Tate]
And people ask me and have asked me, they might know of where I work because I'm either with a, uh, out in town doing something. But if they don't work in a community college and they ask me, "What is community college like? What makes it different?" And I think that you're speaking to it, and it's, it's hard to put into words, but it is this you have people every day coming into campus, whether it be this campus, the campus that you all operate from, uh, down the road. Whatever HCC operation you're taking part in, that moment, that day, that semester is a crossroads of sorts for everyone in that roomUs educators, we show back up every year, so we get to see the story repeat in different rich ways with different people's experiences and things like that. But that crossroads is, is that someone, 

00:24:30,608 --> 00:24:51,668 [Calab Tate]
someone came in with a today that they're trying to turn into a specific tomorrow with education. Upskilling, a degree, a certificate, a diploma, um, you know, learn how to do, uh, some sort of basket weaving class, take a defensive driving class for reasons. [chuckles] We have people come through with that different type of crossroads, but- 

00:24:51,668 --> 00:24:53,018 [Corey Isbell]
Defensive basket weaving as well. 

00:24:53,018 --> 00:25:28,648 [Calab Tate]
Uh, d- you can mix those together. And speaking again to continuing education, something I want to continue to hammer home for our listeners is, is that if you're sitting at home, if you're, you know, walking around the world today and you say, "Wow, I mean, I wish there was some s- form of education that was so flexible that I could walk into a building and say, 'I'd kinda like to learn this.'" And everyone in that building could re- respond to you and say, "Well, we have no framework for that right now, but we're gonna take your name down, and if 12 other people want something like that, we'll make a class." 

00:25:28,648 --> 00:25:29,268 [Corey Isbell]
Absolutely. 

00:25:29,268 --> 00:26:32,928 [Calab Tate]
That's con ed. You know, we've-- both speaking in continuing education, you know, the, the leadership for that program over and over, you know, if, if it'll, if, if it'll make, they can take it. If they-- we can make that class, they can take that class, and that's the a- the adaption and the flexibility and the speed of continuing education, not only here, but across the state of North Carolina and the system. So before we get too, too poetic and heartfelt, right, I'm really bad to kinda dive into those stories. I know the future episodes, I wanna dive into those and really sit with those for a whole episode. But speaking specifically to people might be excited about construction skills technology, and they're saying, "Okay, this is a great episode, but what's coming up and how do I get involved?" So that's the golden question, right? I always like to end on this one. So for folks that want to take that class, take a class, take one of those classes, what are some of those that you can speak to right now that are coming up, put those on their radar, and how can they get in, i- in touch, and kinda how would you prefer that they get in touch with the program? 

00:26:32,928 --> 00:26:48,008 [Corey Isbell]
Uh, the-- as far as getting in touch, the easiest, the single easiest way to get in touch with us, um, aside from just calling my, me in my office or shooting me an email, and my contact info is on our, on our program page. Um, we have a, we have a interest form on our program page, um, 

00:26:49,288 --> 00:27:07,988 [Corey Isbell]
that you can fill out. You can put in your contact info. You can check off the classes you're interested in, and there's a space at the bottom where you can ask questions. And it's always great when people fill out that part, because I get a lot of these. I get a lot of folks contacting us through this page, and when I write them back, it's always great when I can answer a question, you know? 

00:27:07,988 --> 00:27:08,138 [Calab Tate]
Yeah. 

00:27:08,138 --> 00:27:08,538 [Corey Isbell]
'Cause I mean, 

00:27:09,928 --> 00:27:27,318 [Corey Isbell]
otherwise, I either have to choose between sending you a link and saying, "Hey, here's the information," or telling you everything about our program, which is obviously, you know, you're gonna be interested in a fraction of that. But if you ask a specific question on that form, you start a dialogue, and then we can start a c- a conversation about that. Um, 

00:27:28,668 --> 00:27:51,488 [Corey Isbell]
I'd also like to emphasize the fact that like Kayla was talking about, we are continuing education. We build these classes according to the needs of the community. So if you wanna get involved in the program, and you see a class that you're interested in, sign up. You know, very low barriers to entry. Um, if you don't see a class you're interested in, tell us about it. 

00:27:51,488 --> 00:27:51,868 [Calab Tate]
Mm-hmm. 

00:27:51,868 --> 00:28:12,868 [Corey Isbell]
If I hear enough, if I hear from enough people, that's how our AutoCAD class came about. I kept having people say, "Hey, when are you gonna teach an AutoCAD class?" And, uh, you know, we had a guy who's, you know, an expert at AutoCLAD, CAD, teaching a different class. And, uh, we got to a point where we had enough people, and, um, we started the class. So, um, you know, that's, that's kinda where it happens. Um, 

00:28:14,328 --> 00:28:37,528 [Corey Isbell]
a few months back, I had a few people who are employees of HCC sign up for a couple of classes, and, um, that turned into a whole conversation about course length and all sorts of other things that I won't bore you with. But, um, out of that conversation came the idea for us to start doing DIY workshops, which we are gonna be-- which we're working on right now, and we're gonna be offering this spring. Um, and we're talking like two or three 

00:28:38,767 --> 00:28:41,188 [Corey Isbell]
class sessions. You know, like Home Depot style, 

00:28:42,208 --> 00:28:43,808 [Corey Isbell]
um, workshop. So 

00:28:45,368 --> 00:28:48,908 [Corey Isbell]
maybe you come to class two or three times, you learn how to frame a wall. 

00:28:50,068 --> 00:29:24,448 [Corey Isbell]
The next workshop you come to class, you learn how to set doors and windows. And you're not gonna become an expert at it in two or three, you know, six hours. But we'll teach you the basics of doing that. And these are designed for people who wanna learn how to do this stuff for their own purposes, um, just, you know, looking for something to do, want some basic knowledge. Maybe you are thinking about getting into the field, and you wanna start small, um, whatever it takes. But these came directly out of people asking us, "Hey, I don't wanna take a 12-week class. What have y- what else have you got?" So, um, let us know what you're looking for, and we will, um, we'll try to provide it. 

00:29:24,448 --> 00:30:35,078 [Calab Tate]
That's fantastic. I know talking with people in the community, being an engagement professional myself, people are always, when they think about a big project, maybe they're a new home buyer or what have you, right? You know, the price of materials being what it is, like, they're like, "Maybe I could do this myself." And kinda looking at upskilling is such a valuable thing in, in today's modern age, and, and we're helping people do that. So, uh, for those of you listening at home, you're, you're hitting this up on your, your podcatcher. You see this on a Facebook post. It's got a video/audio waveform with a picture of Corey on there waving right now at you as you're listening to this, wherever you might be. We're gonna put that link in that description there. It's gonna get you at least to the webpage, haywood.edu. Always, always, always. There's so much going on, but haywood.edu. You click it on the Continuing Education dropdown on the Programs page, and then Construction Skills Technology is gonna get you there. So once you see Construction Skills Technology, that's where the registration link is. That's where that interest form is. That's really where, where we wanna get you to. But once you get that interest form, you'll be able to get plugged in and see what classes we have coming up. Anything else before we wrap, Corey? Any other details or anything like that?

00:30:36,292 --> 00:30:58,922 [Corey Isbell]
Um, I would just like to emphasize that if you are thinking about getting into the building industry, um, and I've been saying this for four years, and every year it becomes more true, there's never been a better time to get into this. If you're a young person and you are looking for a career path that's gonna take you down a, a road to, you know, potentially decades of satisfying, um, rewarding work, 

00:31:00,512 --> 00:31:12,412 [Corey Isbell]
try a construction class. Come to us, try a class. Take an HVAC class, take a carpentry class. We're talking eight to 12 weeks of your time. You're gonna learn something either way, but maybe this will be the start of a whole career. 

00:31:13,572 --> 00:31:13,892 [Corey Isbell]
Um, 

00:31:14,992 --> 00:32:04,172 [Corey Isbell]
I can't emphasize how much, how important it is right now for people to continue getting into the construction industry, especially folks who wanna make this a career. There's a decades-long hou-housing shortage. There's a, a, a growing desperation in the field among, um, construction companies to find people with skills who are dedicated to learning a craft. So if you are thinking about-- if, if you're even, even in the back of your mind, you're thinking that this might be a career path for you, get in touch with us. I will be happy to talk to you. Um, I'll be happy to put you in s-touch with one of our instructors if you wanna learn more about their specific field of expertise. But, um, just, you know, look into it because, uh, this is, this is a great way to go as far as, um, building, you know, building a career that you're gonna be happy with, and is, it's gonna keep you satisfied and always learning. 

00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:34,652 [Calab Tate]
I like that. There was even a pun in there. We're building careers, huh? Construction program. So approachable classes, high demand for, for the trades in itself, higher wages for people that are gonna step into that, all the possibility in the world. Take that next step with us at www.haywood.edu. But without further ado, Cory, thank you so much for your time today. Thanks for being on Bobcat Chat with us, and, uh, I hope you have a great day, Cory. Thank you very much for being here, and thank you all for listening. We'll see you all next time on Bobcat Chat. 

00:32:36,192 --> 00:32:37,412 [Calab Tate]
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00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:09,380 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
[intro music] Hello and welcome to Bobcat Chat. 

00:00:14,380 --> 00:00:18,160 [Calab Tate]
Hello and welcome back to Bobcat Chat. I'm Calab Tate. 

00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,700 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
I'm Dr. Tim Scapin

00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:28,759 [Calab Tate]
Today we're joined in the studio by Elan Seago, a student life and wellness specialist. Thank you very much for being with us today, Alanne. 

00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,040 [Elan Seago]
Thanks for having me. 

00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:40,559 [Calab Tate]
Yeah. So, um, today we're gonna be talking about a few things, but why don't we start off with an icebreaker question? Uh, if you could be any superhero, who would you be and why? 

00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,220 [Elan Seago]
Um, I would be probably- 

00:00:43,220 --> 00:00:44,220 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Hmm. 

00:00:44,220 --> 00:00:47,300 [Elan Seago]
I think I would be She-Ra, Princess of Power. 

00:00:47,300 --> 00:00:47,980 [Calab Tate]
Ah, nice. 

00:00:47,980 --> 00:00:48,640 [Elan Seago]
Um, because- 

00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,440 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
That's an often underestimated- 

00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:52,290 [Elan Seago]
... I love that 

00:00:52,290 --> 00:00:52,970 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
... I was a, uh, 

00:00:54,060 --> 00:00:57,220 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
a He-Man fan in the 1980s. 

00:00:57,220 --> 00:00:59,220 [Calab Tate]
I was about to say, for our listeners, we might have- 

00:00:59,220 --> 00:00:59,440 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Yes 

00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,750 [Calab Tate]
... some younger listeners, so we're gonna have to make sure that we- 

00:01:01,750 --> 00:01:01,750 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
We need to go back to the- 

00:01:01,750 --> 00:01:02,490 [Elan Seago]
They have a new version. The new- 

00:01:02,490 --> 00:01:03,110 [Calab Tate]
They did a new one 

00:01:03,110 --> 00:01:04,290 [Elan Seago]
... version is my favorite. Yeah. 

00:01:04,290 --> 00:01:06,780 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Oh, there's a new one coming out, a live action. 

00:01:06,780 --> 00:01:07,580 [Elan Seago]
Ooh. 

00:01:07,580 --> 00:01:08,420 [Calab Tate]
Wow. 

00:01:08,420 --> 00:01:12,600 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Not the, the '80s live action. Skeletor is a little scary. [laughs] 

00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,980 [Calab Tate]
Yeah. Yeah, that would be kind of scarier than it would be- 

00:01:14,980 --> 00:01:15,130 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Yes 

00:01:15,130 --> 00:01:17,160 [Calab Tate]
... like a neon green cartoon- 

00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:17,390 [Elan Seago]
[laughs] 

00:01:17,390 --> 00:01:17,960 [Calab Tate]
... skeleton. 

00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:18,930 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
He was radioactive. [laughs] 

00:01:18,930 --> 00:01:22,399 [Calab Tate]
He's like a real life skeleton. It might, it might frighten the children. 

00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:22,630 [Elan Seago]
Yeah. 

00:01:22,630 --> 00:01:22,679 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Yes. 

00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,960 [Calab Tate]
Uh, Tim, well, what about you? We'll ice, we'll break the ice all the way around. What superhero would you be and why? 

00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:30,340 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
I don't know. That... You, you reached for that one. I don't know. Uh- 

00:01:30,340 --> 00:01:32,460 [Calab Tate]
That one I can have a good deep cut like Alanne did. 

00:01:32,460 --> 00:01:33,120 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Man. Oh. 

00:01:34,820 --> 00:01:36,060 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
I don't know. Uh, 

00:01:37,820 --> 00:01:41,520 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
I, I... Jeez, man. Like, uh, who's that guy? Dr. Strange. 

00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:41,810 [Calab Tate]
Yeah. 

00:01:41,810 --> 00:01:42,030 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
He can, uh- 

00:01:42,030 --> 00:01:42,870 [Calab Tate]
Well, they're both doctors. 

00:01:42,870 --> 00:01:42,880 [Elan Seago]
Yeah. 

00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:43,910 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
He can... Oh, yeah, yeah. 

00:01:43,910 --> 00:01:43,920 [Elan Seago]
Oh, yeah. 

00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:44,940 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
That's... There you go. 

00:01:44,940 --> 00:01:45,700 [Calab Tate]
[laughs] 

00:01:45,700 --> 00:01:48,960 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
He can open portals to places and, like, skedaddle. 

00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:49,660 [Calab Tate]
That's right, 'cause I mean- 

00:01:49,660 --> 00:01:51,130 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Yeah. He's like, "I'm out" 

00:01:51,130 --> 00:01:51,500 [Calab Tate]
... we've been talking about- 

00:01:51,540 --> 00:01:52,980 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Like, literally, where'd he go? 

00:01:52,980 --> 00:01:55,060 [Calab Tate]
Yeah, getting around campus would be easy. 

00:01:55,060 --> 00:02:00,040 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Yeah. I wanna just go from student services to, uh, to Hickory. I just open a portal and look at 'em there. 

00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:00,179 [Elan Seago]
[laughs] 

00:02:00,180 --> 00:02:06,840 [Calab Tate]
You gotta be careful 'cause somebody might walk through it and not know and kind of bump into you or something, or something like that. But the cape would look really cool on you. 

00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,979 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Well, yeah. I think we should wear costumes too. 

00:02:08,979 --> 00:02:09,479 [Calab Tate]
Oh, fun. 

00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:10,280 [Elan Seago]
Me too. 

00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:17,570 [Calab Tate]
Uh, mine would be Spider-Man, just because, like, being able to jump around and, like, swing around buildings and stuff like that would be pretty cool. 

00:02:17,570 --> 00:02:17,600 [Elan Seago]
Cool. 

00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:24,640 [Calab Tate]
Yeah. I think he's, uh... I've always really liked Spider-Man. Okay. So now that we've broken the ice, uh, let's dive right in- 

00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:24,980 [Elan Seago]
Yeah 

00:02:24,980 --> 00:02:25,049 [Calab Tate]
... to our episode. 

00:02:25,049 --> 00:03:08,540 [Elan Seago]
I mean, there are so many resources on campus, the LSS, Learning Support Services, um, who can help with tutoring and studying and time management skills. Um, you mentioned, like, student wellness, of course. We can help students, um, with disabilities to get accommodations, um, to help them be successful. Uh, as well as counseling. We offer free counseling to students through student wellness. Um, and so I would just encourage students to not, not hesitate to ask for help if you need it. Talk to your teachers, um, and start right at the beginning of the semester. Don't wait until, till it's, like, almost the end of the semester to ask for help. Um, yeah. 

00:03:08,540 --> 00:03:37,899 [Calab Tate]
And making sure the way you, you... That you're talking about making sure to ask for help right off the bat, and make sure if they advocate for themselves if they have any issues and things like that, making sure that we stay ahead of that game, looking at the rest of the semester ahead. Um, what does the calendar for student life look like? I, I really wanna make sure that for our listeners, that we're setting that forecast for not only this event, but for all of the events that are going on during the semester because student life does put on a lot, do a lot. 

00:03:37,900 --> 00:04:25,240 [Elan Seago]
Yeah. We're really excited about this semester. Um, we usually try to bring at least one new event every semester, um, that isn't, we've never done before. So this semester, right before Valentine's Day, on February 12th, we have a new event called Create a Creature. Um, and it's going to be an opportunity for students to, like, make or stuff their own stuffed animal. Uh, we have, like, five or six different stuffed animals they can choose from, and they're going to... They can stuff it themselves, um, put a little message inside it, and, um, name it if they want, and then they can either keep it for themselves or give it to a friend, or... So we're excited about that event. We've made a couple of the stuffed animals to try it out, and they're so soft and cuddly, and I want one for myself. 

00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:32,100 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Yes. The test animals are very... They su- su- surpassed my expectations. 

00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:32,150 [Elan Seago]
I know. 

00:04:32,150 --> 00:04:38,180 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
I was like thinking, "Oh, okay, we got some stuffed animal." But they are, like, very, very high-end. 

00:04:38,180 --> 00:04:38,780 [Elan Seago]
They're very cute. 

00:04:38,780 --> 00:04:39,630 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Yes, very cute. 

00:04:39,630 --> 00:04:39,640 [Elan Seago]
Yes. 

00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:40,200 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
There you go. 

00:04:40,200 --> 00:05:15,659 [Elan Seago]
[laughs] Um, so we're, we're super excited about that. And I, I said it is February 12th. Um, that's going to be in the Hemlock Building, lower lobby, right outside the auditorium, and that's gonna be on that day from 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM. Um, and then another event we have coming up that I'm excited about is March 17th, which is, of course, St. Patrick's Day. So we're doing St. Patrick's Day Bingo again from 11:00 AM to 1:00 PM. That'll also be in the Hemlock lower lobby, and we've got a bunch of awesome prizes for that. Um, so come by and play bingo if you're a student. 

00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:16,660 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Love bingo. 

00:05:16,660 --> 00:05:17,740 [Calab Tate]
Bingo's really good. That- 

00:05:17,740 --> 00:05:17,870 [Elan Seago]
Yes 

00:05:17,870 --> 00:05:20,060 [Calab Tate]
... Tim's usually a really good bingo announcer. 

00:05:20,060 --> 00:05:20,180 [Elan Seago]
Yes. Tim's a caller. 

00:05:20,180 --> 00:05:22,840 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Got the cheesy bingo jokes. 

00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:23,300 [Calab Tate]
It's- 

00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:23,310 [Elan Seago]
Yeah 

00:05:23,310 --> 00:05:24,580 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
... dad jokes wall to wall. 

00:05:24,580 --> 00:05:24,820 [Calab Tate]
Yeah. 

00:05:24,820 --> 00:05:24,830 [Elan Seago]
Yeah. 

00:05:24,830 --> 00:05:25,610 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Yeah, wall to wall. 

00:05:25,610 --> 00:05:25,640 [Calab Tate]
It's our guy. 

00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,560 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Talk about awkward conversations. 

00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:27,890 [Elan Seago]
[laughs] 

00:05:27,890 --> 00:05:28,760 [Calab Tate]
Think so. 

00:05:28,760 --> 00:06:03,472 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Um, also s- something too, I know, like, if you go around campus, we have the list of events also on our website, and then social media. We try to blast out all the events that are coming up, so you can, you know, as little reminders for you to make sure you hit those, 'cause you'll do, so you especially do a great job of, like, diversifying what you offer. That and, like, Wellness Wednesdays, and I think you really do a great job offering just a wide variety of different things and ways for students to interact so, um, I think it's, yeah, I really enjoy just-Go into these myself and see what's going on, so 

00:06:03,472 --> 00:06:20,172 [Elan Seago]
Yes, and I wanted to add, I'm glad you mentioned that we'll have a bunch of the hard copies of the calendars, um, the little small, um, index card sized calendars that you can grab, students or staff can grab at our Week of Welcome event. Um, so if you haven't seen those yet, definitely grab one. 

00:06:20,172 --> 00:06:20,182 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Okay. 

00:06:20,182 --> 00:06:22,512 [Elan Seago]
They have the whole semester's events. 

00:06:22,512 --> 00:06:42,572 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
So you, you briefly touched on SGA or student government. Um, so has that always been an important... That's always been an important part of student life. Uh, can you speak to, um, for our listeners who might not know about SGA and what that is? And if someone was interested, how would they get involved? 

00:06:42,572 --> 00:08:08,652 [Elan Seago]
Yes, I'm glad you asked. Um, so SGA stands for Student Government Association, um, and there are, they are... We have three officers: president, vice president, and secretary. They help, um, student life with running all the events. Um, we have SGA meetings once a month, and so that's where students can learn about what's going on on campus and find out how they can get involved, as well as share what their own clubs might be doing so that we can all kind of be on the same page. Um, and so we... Our current SGA team will be, uh, when they graduate this semester or when they, um, come out of their positions, we'll be holding elections for the new SGA team, and that'll... Those applications will open at the beginning of February. So I think we're planning on opening them up February second, and it's an online application. It's relatively simple. Um, but in the meantime, if you're at all interested in that, um, we have a s-SGA interest form, which will be on the Student Life main website, haywood.edu/student-life. Um, and then we'll also have a QR code at Week of Welcome that students can scan and fill out the interest form right from their phone, and that just will send me an email asking me to send them more information about SGA and how they can get paid to be an SGA officer. 

00:08:08,652 --> 00:08:25,732 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
And also one thing too, uh, make sure you check your emails 'cause we're really trying to make a, um, focused and intentional effort to include you in like some giveaways and stuff. So, um, make sure you always check your emails. They may be from like clyde@haywood.edu. 

00:08:25,732 --> 00:08:26,212 [Calab Tate]
[laughs] 

00:08:26,212 --> 00:08:27,182 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
So check those- 

00:08:27,182 --> 00:08:27,182 [Elan Seago]
Yeah 

00:08:27,182 --> 00:08:40,752 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
... and, um, like I said, we're gonna make really, uh, a lot of efforts. We started the last semester and carrying into this semester to, uh, give you opportunities. Even if though you can't be on campus, you can still be more included in this, uh, this stuff that happens. 

00:08:40,752 --> 00:08:41,682 [Calab Tate]
Very good reminder. 

00:08:41,682 --> 00:08:41,712 [Elan Seago]
Yes. 

00:08:41,712 --> 00:09:18,492 [Calab Tate]
We're always trying to build out those resources for people who are in person, people who are online, people who are traditional and non-traditional learners alike. Um, another thing that we do have coming up, speaking about resources for students, is we got four-week focus. It's coming up on February fifth. It's in the lower level lobby of the Hemlock building here on campus. It's, uh, from eleven AM to two PM. Um, should be a good opportunity for students to get involved with resources. Um, there's resources are gonna be from multiple different departments. Um, so what can students expect at that event along from your area, and kind of... we can kind of bounce back and forth on some of that. 

00:09:18,492 --> 00:09:53,172 [Elan Seago]
Yes. Um, so this is definitely like a, a hard, can be a challenging time of the semester. That four-week mark is when a lot of students might get overwhelmed and things start to get harder and more assignments and stuff. So we, we have the four-week focus event to help students, um, with that feeling of being overwhelmed by sharing what resources are available to help them because we want you to be successful. Um, so Student Life and Wellness will have a table at that event. Um, you might have to delve into what some of the other resources that are going to be there. 

00:09:53,172 --> 00:10:48,772 [Calab Tate]
Mm-hmm. Uh, we've got the Learning Support Services team. We've got folks from Admissions, Financial Aid. Uh, essentially we're trying to bring all the people together that would be able to answer that really burning four-week question that students would have. Um, we encounter the students all the time. When they do, like you said earlier, advocate for themselves. When they do ask those questions, we keep track of what those questions usually are. We're just bringing all those people in together. And again, that's at Hemlock lower level building on February fifth from eleven AM to two PM. Really good resources there. Um, and with that, I think we can go ahead and, and wrap up the pod. Um, Elan, thank you so much for being on the podcast with me and Tim today. Thank you for everything that you do for students. Tim, thank you for co-hosting, co-producing, and everything that you do. [laughs] Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, this has been Bobcat Chat. We'll see you all very soon for another episode. 

00:10:48,772 --> 00:10:49,472 [Dr. Tim Scapin]
Have a great day. 

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